All
tech-geeks need to know to bring their stoker home safely*:
Chris' disk-brakes-on-tandems-FAQ
* Non-tech-geeks and retro-grouches
need not read on, as they'll get home safely with their tried-and-true
2-rim-brakes-plus-Arai combo
Tandem
bikes are hard on brakes. If you intend to ride your tandem in hilly terrain,
you may not get by with using just two rim brakes. Many tandemists have
experienced tire blowouts when they overheated their rims on long descents.
Santana
Cycles has reported reaching rim temperatures of around 220°C (425°
F) in tests. Using one or two non rim brakes alleviates this problem.
A brake which doesn't heat up the rim cannot melt your tube. The standard
solution to this problem was the addition of an Arai
drum brake to a tandem's rear hub. The Arai is still the simplest and
most dependable solution. It weighs a ton, though (more than two pounds,
to be exact), and it leaves you with the problem of how to actuate three
brakes with two hands. Also, it doesn't look cool. This is where disk brakes
come in.
An important
remark on safety and warranty issues: The brakes are possibly
the most important component on your bike. Only a sudden fork failure (see
here for pic of a Hanebrink tandem fork broken in use) could be as
dangerous as a defectice brake! On this page, I describe some modifications
riders have made to their brakes to improve performance. Do note that almost
any modification not specifically recommended by the brake manufacturer
will void your warranty! Magura is very strict in advising their customers
not to use adapters or aftermarket rotors and pads. That doesn't mean that
these modifications cannot be safe, but any change you make to your brake
is out of the manufacturer's control. Thus, don't come back to them crying
if your brake decided to quit working just as you wanted to avoid that
big ole tree!! Count yourself lucky if you still CAN cry, and promise to
wrench more carefully next time. Also: I didn't tell
you to fiddle with your brake. I merely present some options highly
skilled mechanics have. I assume no liability for any consequences! If
your brake fails you must not be a skilled mechanic!
1. What is
the difference between a disk brake and a drum brake? (back
to top)
A
disk brake consists of a rotor (the 'disk'), which is mounted to the hub,
and the brake caliper, which mounts to the frame. The brake pads in the
caliper squeeze the disk, thus slowing the vehicle down. All high-performance
cars and motorbikes use disk brakes. A rim brake is technically a disk
brake, with the rim acting as the rotor.
A
drum brake consists of a large drum, which hides all other parts of the
brake. The brake pads are inside the drum, and when actuated, they press
onto the inside of the drum shell to slow the vehicle down. Drum brakes
can be integrated into the hub (available from Sram
and SunRace Sturmey-Archer),
or they can be screwed onto threads on the side of the hub (like the Arai
drum commonly used on tandems). A coaster brake is a type of drum brake
activated by pedaling backwards, though the term 'drum brake' usually only
refers to models operated by hand.
Some
modern drum brakes from Shimano and
Sram
look like like disk brakes because they have an additional disk-shaped
part to dissipate heat, but they are still drum brakes.
Drum brakes usually do not provide
enough stopping power to stop a tandem safely, and internal drums also
cannot take nearly as much heat as would be required to let them be used
safely on heavy vehicles.
Disks look cool (face it: that is a
very big factor for many people)
You won't melt a tube if you use a disk
instead of a rim brake.
No need to worry about worn brake surfaces
on your rims if you use a disk instead of a rim brake.
You can keep on riding even if your
wheel is too much out of true to pass through a rim brake because you broke
a spoke.
Replacing a broken spoke is easier than
on wheels with an Arai
drum (wheels built by a competent wheel builder do not break spokes,
though!).
The Arai drum brake can only supplement
rim brakes, not replace them. Because they provide enough stopping power,
some disks can be used instead of a rim brake. Thus, you only need two
brake levers to stop your bike safely.
Good hydraulic disks provide excellent
modulation.
Unlike rim brakes, which perform very
poorly in wet weather and the snow, most disk brakes are almost as strong
in adverse condition as when it is dry.
Supporting bike parts manufacturers
by buying ultra-expensive parts is always a good deed.
3. Do disks stop
a bike better than other brakes? (back to top)
You need to consider three
factors when judging a brake's capabilities:
Sheer braking force: The heavier
your vehicle and the steeper your descent, the stronger your brake must
be. However, if your current brakes can lock up the wheel under all circumstances
(dry pavement), then your brakes are strong enough. Since the rim is the
largest possible disk diameter, most disks are not stronger than good rim
brakes: Even a cantilever brake, a type of brake considered 'outdated'
by many people, is sufficient to lock up a tandem's front wheel if set
up right. Some current disk brakes are considerably
weaker than good rim brakes. Good disk brakes require less hand
strength for the same brake force, though. E.g. Magura gives a possible
deceleration of 7.9 m/s2
with 100N squeezing at the lever for the Gustav M (their strongest disk),
while listing only 4.2 m/s2
for their strongest rim brake (the HS 33). Using a larger diameter rotor
increases brake force, so for a tandem you should always choose the largest
rotor possible with your disk brake.
Modulation: Brakes are best if
they offer you more choices than just 'on' or 'off'. Especially in technical
terrain or when the road is slippery you need to be able to fine-tune your
brakes very well. Good brakes release the pressure on the brake even if
you only back off slightly at the lever. If you have brakes with poor modulation
you need to release the lever completely to set a locked-up wheel free
again. Generally, hydraulic brakes fare much better in this respect than
cable-actuated brakes. Good hydraulic rim brakes (e.g. the Magura
HS-33 for flat bars and the HS-66 for drop bars) feature great modulation.
Cable actuated brakes can be almost as good to modulate if the cables are
new, clean and well-lubed, but their performance will deteriorate rapidly
with age. Good hydraulic disk brakes offer better
modulation than the best rim brakes. Other disks, like the Magura
Julie on my poor-weather single, are not easier
to modulate than good rim brakes.
Heat dissipation: The rim has
a diameter larger than possible for any disk. Thus, it is not surprising
that disk brakes have trouble taking as much heat as a rim brake. Disk
brakes heat up much quicker than rim brakes. However, a hot disk does not
pose the threat of torching the tube, thus high temperatures here are not
as dangerous. Overheating a disk may result in complete failure of that
brake, though, as the hydraulic fluid will boil and form gas bubbles or
the disk may warp. As test
results show, only the very best downhill disk brakes will take more
heat than a rim brake, and none can take as much heat as the combination
of two rim brakes plus an Arai drum brake! Thus, this combo
still remains the only solution for heavily loaded touring and extra-long
bikes (quads, quints, etc.). Using a larger diameter rotor increases heat
dissipation, so for a tandem you should always choose the largest rotor
possible with your disk brake.
Note that if you ride with panniers,
you increase the heat your brakes need to endure twofold: The added weight
is a factor, of course, but the panniers also interfere with the air flow
needed to cool the brake. This is especially noticeable with a front disk
in conjunction with 'lowrider' panniers. Stop more often to let your brakes
cool off!
4. Do disk
brakes provide better modulation? (back to top)
Brakes are best if they
offer you more choices than just 'on' or 'off'. Especially in technical
terrain or when the road is slippery you need to be able to fine-tune your
brakes very well. Good brakes release the pressure on the pads even if
you only back off slightly at the lever. If you have brakes with poor modulation
you need to release the lever completely to set a locked-up wheel free
again. Generally, hydraulic brakes fare much better in this respect than
cable-actuated brakes. Good hydraulic rim brakes (e.g. the Magura
HS-33 for flat bars and the HS-66 for drop bars) feature great modulation.
Cable actuated brakes can be almost as good to modulate if the cables are
new, clean and well-lubed, but their performance will deteriorate rapidly
with age. Good hydraulic disk brakes offer slightly better modulation than
the best rim brakes.
Some disks vary slightly in thickness,
thus giving a sort of stutter effect. This greatly decreases your ability
to modulate brake strength, and thus you should require your brake's manufacturer
to give you a new rotor if you detect this problem.
5. I heard that
disks drag all the time. Is that true? (back to top)
No, like most general statements
containing a phrase like "all the time" it is not true. However, disk brakes
do drag - some more than others, but no disk brake is 100% drag free. Keep
in mind, though, that disk drag does not waste a lot of energy: The radius
of the disk is very small compared to the radius of the wheel, so a small
amount of drag at the disk wastes less energy than a regular brake pad
rubbing on the rim (due to the different pad compounds the disk will make
more noise, though). And do not forget that no rim brake is 100% drag free
either! On most bikes that pads rub the rim when you climb standing up
as the wheel flexes. With carefull setup most disk brakes can be made to
be virtually drag free. Even the Gustav M on my full-suspension tandem,
a brake which was not even designed to be drag free, has no drag which
is noticeable outside the workstand if set up correctly.
No! No disk brake should
be used as a drag brake. It will overheat and fail eventually!
A drag brake is a brake which is
switched on at the beginning of a descent to slow down the vehicle constantly.
This method of braking keeps the maximum speed below a certain level, something
which can be required to keep you or your stoker feel safe, or because
the terrain does not permit higher speeds or because you are stuck behind
a slow vehicle you cannot pass safely. Using a brake as a drag brake, also
referred to as 'riding the brakes constantly', heats up a brake very rapidly.
This will lead to failure with most brakes!
The same holds for a car's brakes:
If you ride the brakes constantly down a long and steep mountain pass,
your brake fluid will boil and your brakes will fail! Thus, it is advisable
to let the vehicle roll in between turns and then brake short and hard
before a turn. This will allow the air flow to cool off your brakes. With
a car, you can also switch to a lower gear to use the engine to keep your
speed in check. If you cannot and do not want to let your vehicle roll
freely on the straight-aways you need to stop and let your brakes cool
off.
The only bicycle brake which dissipates
enough heat to be used safely as a drag brake on a loaded tandem is the
Arai drum.
7. I don't believe
this stuff about how riding downhill slowly will stress your brakes more
than going fast. Please explain. (back to top)
When you are using your
brakes you are converting your kinetic energy into heat. This is not a
problem if you are stopping your bike once, but when you are riding down
a long, steep slope, you are constantly heating up your brakes. If you
were to let your bike roll freely, a large part of the energy would be
taken up by the wind resistance slowing you down. However, if you ride
slowly, almost all your energy needs to be taken up by the brakes, thus
heating them up very quickly.
If you ride VERY slowly, however,
you are giving your brakes enough time to cool off. To do this you must
ride considerably slower than even the most patient riders will be willing
to do.
If you want to know more details
look at the graphs on Dirk
Bettge's site.
8. I heard
panniers can be a problem when used on a bike with disk brakes. How so?
(back
to top)
If you ride with panniers,
you increase the heat your brakes need to endure twofold: The added weight
is a factor, of course, but the panniers also interfere with the air flow
needed to cool the brake. This is especially noticeable with a front disk
in conjunction with 'lowrider' panniers. For this reason, some disk manufacturers
like Magura
advise against using disk brakes on travel bikes. Stop more often to let
your brakes cool off!
9. New parts
come with new problems. What can go wrong with disk brakes? (back
to top)
You are right. Bicycle disk
brakes are still rather new technology, but they have come a long way since
the first models were introduced in the early 1990s. Mechanical and semi-hydraulic
disks can of course give you the problems you have with any cable-operated
part on bikes (which is why I prefer hydraulic brakes and Gore RideOn shift
cables). Semi-hydraulic and hydraulic brakes can get leaky seals. This
is one thing anybody is afraid of, which is why good companies like Magura
offer a five-year warranty on their brakes! And you can bend the rotor,
either in a crash or because someone riding behind you ran their front
tire into your rear disk brake.
The most important thing to keep
in mind is to keep the pads and the rotor clean. If you get oil or any
other lubricant on either of those parts, you will most likely have to
replace both. You might be able to clean the rotor with disk brake
cleaner (available at motor bike shops, gas stations etc.), but the pads
are definately history. There is no need to shy away from dirt, though:
Disk brakes are far better in adverse conditions than rim brakes.
If you want to keep your stoker happy,
tell them to stay away from the rotor and caliper at all times! Burn marks
on their calf from touching the disk may be cheaper than a tatoo, but is
that really what they want?
Don't forget to think about what
cannot go wrong: No more heat-induced blowouts, no more exploding rims
because the sidewalls are worn, no more walking home because the rim is
too wobbly to pass through the rim brake, etc.
You are absolutely right:
There is a lot of balony floating around the internet. Mainly, I am just
an ordinary cyclist with some technical interest who compiled some information
he gathered from reading the three largest tandem
email lists and various bike magazines. I ride and race single bikes
and tandems on and off-road, and I have disk brakes on three of my
own bikes. In addition, I occasionally race other people's bikes with
other brands of disk brakes.
However, there is no reason why you
shouldn't ask other people, read test reports in the mags, and form your
own opinion. Brakes are possibly the most important part on your bike,
and even bad disks aren't cheap, so think before you spend your money!
11.
What does 'mechanical', 'semi-hydraulic', and 'hydraulic' refer to? (back
to top)
The three terms refer to
how the power is transferred from the brake lever to the brake pads in
the caliper:
A mechanical brake uses a steel
cable, just like most rim brakes. This means they are easier to service
and lighter than hydraulic brakes, but this comes at the price of added
friction. Also, the loooong rear cable on a tandem will stretch, reducing
available brake strength. Mechanical disk brakes' biggest advantage used
to be their low price, but since the advent of the Magura Julie hydraulic
brake, which is sold for DM 199 (less than US$ 100) in Germany, that advantage
is gone, too.
A semi-hydraulic brake uses a
regular brake lever, which pulls a cable, but uses brake fluid to move
the pads. Thus, somewhere in between a cable-actuated master cylinder will
be used. Depending on the placement of this master cylinder, the brake
will perform more like a mechanical or like a hydraulic brake.
There are two reasons for using
a semi-hydraulic brake: You may want to use a certain brake lever (like
an integrated brake-/shift lever on a bike with drop bars), or you may
be afraid of the dangers of a hydraulic brake (like ripping hydraulic lines
in off-road use). The first will make placing the master cylinder as close
to the lever a good idea (a system offered by Santana
using a modified Formula brake,
and by Hope), while the second argument
will lead to a system which combines the master cylinder with the caliper
in one unit.
A hydraulic brake is an integrated
system of a brake lever with integrated master cylinder, brake line, and
caliper. As the components must be designed to be used together, you cannot
choose a different lever. Good hydraulic brakes are more expensive than
mechanical brakes, but they are also vastly superior in performance, and
at least as far as one can tell after several years of use (Magura
has been building hydraulic rim brakes since the mid-1980s), well-designed
hydraulic parts can last very long. Well-designed hydraulic brakes require
much less service than mechanical brakes (which is why I switched to a
hydraulic brakes on my foul-weather MTB), and they
are easy to service should they require it.
12. Aren't
hydraulic brakes hard to service? (back to top)
Hydraulic brakes require
you and/or your dealer to learn new tricks to set them up right and maintain
them. In principle, though, dealing with them is no harder than dealing
with mechanical rim or drum brakes. Other than a change of pads once in
a while, many hydraulic brakes require no service at all.
The biggest difference to mechanical
brakes is that hydraulic brakes need to be bled if air bubbles got trapped
in the system. To do this, you need a bleeding kit available from the brake
manufacturer. Such a kit mainly consists of a syringe and various thread-in
adapters needed to get the fluid into the system. If you read the instruction
manual you should not have many problems doing this at home, though it
is often advisable to have a second person around to lend you a hand. Magura
supplies excellent instruction manuals with their brakes. For more see
my bleeding tips below.
I own bikes equipped with hydraulic
brakes from Magura
and Formula, and I find the Magura
brakes much easier to service. Over the years there have also been a number
of posts on the mailing lists I frequent complaining about how finicky
their Formula is to adjust. Since
they are a small company, Hope Technologies
is often slow when it comes to supplying parts, but once you've got them
their brakes are easy to work on.
It is true, however, that most bike
shops are still neither equipped nor trained to deal with the various hydraulic
brakes. See below on specific tips on servicing
your particular model, and contact your brake manufacturer for a list of
certified service centers. Thus, if you travel far away from home, a cable-operated
brake system might be a better choice for you.
13. What does
'floating caliper' or 'fixed caliper' mean? (back to top)
A floating caliper is mounted
in such a way that it can center itself in relation to the disk. Its caliper
can also be built thinner, as there is only a fixed pad on the side facing
the spokes. The disadvantage of such a system is that it will never be
100% drag free. The most prominent example is the Magura
Gustav M. A fixed caliper cannot move in relation to the frame. Most
bicycle disk brakes are fixed-caliper designs.
The number of pistons, or
slave cylinders, in the caliper has no direct relation to the quality of
a brake. If more, but smaller pistons are used, the total area of the brake
pad touching the rotor may be greater. Some manufacturers also claim that
a four-piston design will improve modulation, as one piston can be designed
to touch the rotor earlier. More pistons on the other hand increase the
complexity of the system and thus the amount of possible problems. Shimano
XT and Hope DH and XC 04 (now called
'Enduro' for 2001) are four-piston brakes, while the Magura
Gustav M is a floating-caliper two-piston design (meaning it has both
pistons on one side, and a fixed pad on the side facing the spokes. Most
others are fixed-caliper two-piston designs with one piston on either side.
An exception are the Louise and the pre-2001 Clara from Magura,
two super-light XC brakes, which are a fixed-caliper one-piston design.
They bend the rotor slightly to press it against a fixed pad.
15. What does
'open' and 'closed system' refer to? (back to top)
Unlike rim brakes, disk
brakes get extremely hot! Rim brakes easily heat up the rim way beyond
100°C (182°F), but the brake itsself is insulated against the heat
by tha fairly thick pad. Thus, the fluid in hydraulic rim brakes does not
expand during the braking process. With disks, however, the caliper itself
gets very hot, causing any type of brake fluid to expand. Closed brake
systems leave no room for the fluid to expand to. Their lever will therefore
gradually move away from the handlebar, the brake will start to drag even
when released, until finally the brake will lock up completely.
Open
systems have an expansion chamber at the lever. Therefore, the brake feel
at the lever will theoretically be unchanged even when the brake is quite
hot. I say 'theoretically' because as my experiences
with the Formula on my off-road tandem
show even open-system brakes can be overheated if the expasion chamber
is too small, or because seals fail at high temperatures. Most modern hydraulic
disk brakes are open systems.
Some closed system brakes (esp. Hope)
have a dial at the lever for manual adjustment. This is basically a do-it-yourself
expansion chamber. However, if you forget to readjust the brake after it
has cooled down you may be left with no brake at all! Happened to me once
in a race - right before tight turn - with an ugly wall at the outside
- S C A R Y !
16. What are
the differences between the various fluids used in hydraulic brakes?
(back
to top)
Magura
rim and disk brakes as well as the Shimano
disks use mineral oil, while most other disk brakes use automotive brake
fluid. The two are not compatible and must not be mixed or exchanged!
Brake fluid supposedly expands less
when heated and boils at a higher temperature. Over time it draws water,
though, which leads to a lowered boiling point. Therefore, brake fluid
must be changed at least once every two years. Brake fluid comes in various
mixtures, rated as DOT 2, DOT 3, DOT 4, DOT 5 and DOT 5.1. I have no information
on what the numbers mean exactly, other that the mixture affects viscosity,
heat expansion, boiling point, and compatibility. Some teams have reported
that Motul Racing Brake Fluid 600,
a DOT 4 fluid, is the most heat-resistant fluid available. Brake fluid
must be handled very carefully, as it is poisonous, destroys most frame
finishes upon contact, and irritates the skin.
The mineral oil used by Shimano
and Magura
does not deteriorate with age. This reduces the amount of waste; it is
also less dangerous for the environment, the frame and your skin. As brakes
using mineral oil instead of brake fluid can be just as strong and heat
resistant as those using brake fluid if designed right, I would therefore
consider them greatly preferable.
17. Which disks
will hold up to tandem duty? (back to top)
That depends: Do you want
an ADDITIONAL brake to avoid toasting a tube on extra-long descents (then
see below), or do you want to use a disk INSTEAD OF
a rim brake? Any additional brake will increase your margin of safety if
you add it to your existing brakes, but only very few brakes can be used
as a tandem's only brake. Most disk brake manufacturers explicitly warn
against using their disks on tandems: Shimano,
Hayes,
Coda, and other say 'NO' to tandems!
The
only brake advertised as being strong enough for a tandem is the Magura
Gustav M downhill brake. I have tested it in several long-distance MTB
races (among them an eight-day stage race across
the Alps with 75,000 ft of descending), and I would agree that it is
absolutely up to the task.
The only other manufacturer which
approves of their disks being used on tandems is Hope
Technologies from England. They offer several models. Only their largest
rotors make the brakes sufficiently strong enough for tandems, though.
Especially the 4-piston Hope DH 04 (now called 'Enduro' for 2001) has received
great reviews from off-road teams on the Double
Forte-mailing list.
Santana
market a modified version of the Formula
HD-5 (now called 'Evoluzione') disk brake for their tandems. Due to its
very large rotor (203 mm; Formula only sells rotors up to 185 mm diameter)
it is reported to also be up to the task of stopping a tandem safely. See
here
for Santana's original posting to the Tandem@Hobbes-mailing list about
this brake. (I have a 1999 Formula HD-5 with 185 mm rotor on my hardtail
tandem, and it failed several times on
extreme off-road descents despite changing to higher grade brake fluid,
which is why I went with Magura Gustav M on my new full-suspension
tandem).
Note that if you ride with panniers,
you increase the heat your brakes need to endure twofold: The added weight
is a factor, of course, but the panniers also interfere with the air flow
needed to cool the brake. This is especially noticeable with a front disk
in conjunction with 'lowrider' panniers. Stop more often to let your brakes
cool off!
18. Which brake
can I use to back up my two rim brakes? (back to top)
Tandems ridden in the mountains
often need a third brake to keep the tires from overheating. If you are
a light team and you do not want to put the heavy Arai drum on your bike,
then a disk will be your only choice. (Even though some tandem builders
do just that, adding a third rim brake would not help at all as it would
still heat up the same rim and tire!)
Basically
you are free to choose any disk brake you want since it needs not be strong
enough to replace one of the rim brakes. Mechanical disks are cheap, and
they might be a bit lighter, too. Many tandem teams have been using a mechanical
brake from Hope Technologies, though
that may not be made anymore (click here
for Mark Livingood's description of the Hope on their Erickson road tandem).
Most hydraulic rear disk brakes for singles come with enough tubing to
be actuated from the stoker's bar. If you are not afraid of hydraulic brakes,
my personal recommendation would be Magura's
new Julie. It is dirt cheap, virtually maintanance-free, and tests
in bike mags showed that it can take more heat than almost any other
disk brake.
Remember, though, that no disk currently
available is designed to be used as a drag brake (see above).
19. I can
get an older model disk at a super discount. Should I go for it? (back
to top)
Hey, I don't work in the
computer biz, so I'm all for saving money wherever you can. However, do
keep in mind that bicycle disk brakes are still rather new, and all manufacturers'
learning curves were rather steep the last years. I would think very carefully
about saving a few bucks by getting an outdated brake. If you are looking
for an affordable disk, my personal recommendation would be Magura's
new Julie. It is dirt cheap, virtually maintanance-free, and tests
in bike mags showed that it can take more heat than almost any other
disk brake. I still would not recommend it as one of only two brakes on
a tandem, however (see 'Which disks will hold up to tandem
duty?' above).
Also keep in mind that there are
still some brakes and hubs conforming to the old mounting standard floating
around (see below).
20. I want to
use drop bars. Which lever choices do I have to actuate a disk brake? (back
to top)
Currently,
no brake manufacturer makes a drop-bar lever for their disk brake, though
Magura's
marketing man Martin Schäfer has stated in an interview that they
might come out with one in the not-too-distant future. Until that happens,
you need to rely on a mechanical or semi-hydraulic design.
Most mechanical or semi-hydraulic
brakes are designed for V-brake levers. Most drop-bar levers do not pull
enough cable. The exception is the Dia-Compe 287-V,
the only V-brake specific drop-bar lever. You can get by using the Sidetrack
BPB (Brake Power Booster - also known as the Comtek
C-Ted), which increases cable-pull. Any such device will also increase
the inefficiency of a cable-actuated brake, though. See my
separate page on on brake choices for bikes with drop bars for more.
The only exceptions are Santana's
modified version of the Formula
disk brake and Hope's 'Remote
Reservoir', which use cable-actuated master cylinders. Both are compatible
with any drop-bar brake lever including Shimano
STI and Campagnolo Ergopower. The
Hope version was said to be unavailable for a while, but my sources claim
that Hope continue to make them. Personally, I have more trust in Hope
brakes than in Formulas.
You are of course free to chose any
brake and lever designed for straight bars if you are simply looking for
a third brake to be activated by your stoker. Note that handlebar diameters
on road bikes are different, but you should be able to get it to work with
some modifications to the lever clamp.
21. I have an S&S
take-apart tandem. Can I still use a hydraulic brake? (back
to top)
Sure you can. Make sure
that your frame comes with guides for the hydraulics line which allow for
easy removal. You just need to remove the lever or the caliper from the
frame and pack them with the rest of the brake system. Be careful not to
kink your hydraulics line.
22.
Which brake fluids are compatible? (back to top)
No
DOT brake fluid must be used in brakes designed for mineral oil, and vice
versa! Doing so not only voids the warranty, but it destroys
the seals and will render the brake useless very quickly.
Mineral oil: Magura and Shimano.
Magura
is now offering new thinner blue "royal blood" brake fluid. It can be used
in all Magura brakes except the oldest rim brakes. The thinner fluid should
avoid "lever packing" when the lever is repeatedly applied and released
in quick succession.
DOT brake fluid: Most others
(Hope, Formula, Hayes)
Also, not all DOT fluids are compatible:
DOT 2, 3, 4, and 5.1 can be interchanged without problems, while DOT 5
fluid should not be exchanged or mixed with any of the others. DOT 5 is
blue in color, while all others are the color of motor oil (gold/brown).
I have exchanged the DOT 4 fluid in the Formula on my
off-road tandem for DOT 5.1 fluid without problems. Still, since brakes
are such a vital part you should always check back with your brake's manufacturer.
Some teams have reported that Motul
Racing Brake Fluid 600, a DOT 4 fluid, is the most heat-resistant fluid
available.
Santana's new manual for the Formula
disk brake covers DOT
fluids in greater depth.
23. My frame
doesn't have disk mounts. Can I still use a disk brake? (back
to top)
Most disk brake manufacturers
warn against using adapters when mounting their brakes. Sometimes, however,
you simply have little choice. You could either have a framebuilder add
disc mounts to your frame, which would make at least a partial repaint
of the frame necessary, or you could buy or make an adapter. Several such
adapters are available, and quite a few riders have built their own. I
ride rear disk brakes on both my off-road tandem
and my foul-weather single even though neither
frame came from the factory with disk mounts. See my separate
page on disk mount adapters for more info.
24. My bike doesn't
have a disk hub. Can I still use a disk brake? (back to
top)
You
need some way of attaching the rotor to the hub. The 'international standard',
which by now has become pretty well accepted in the industry, calls for
a six-bolt mounting pattern. In some cases you can get by without a disk-specific
hub, though I see little reason to. If your rear hub has threads for a
drum on the left side, then you could use the thread-on adapter from Santana
or make your own (like I did on my off-road
tandem). I have also seen an adapter which bolts onto the existing
spoke holes in the left hub flange. Hubs are not overly expensive, though,
so I would recommend that most people buy a disk-specific hub.
If you consider buying a new hub
you should keep in mind that many freehubs will not hold up to tandem duty
long. Gather plenty of information before you spend your hard-earned bucks
on a hub that'll break on your first steep uphill!
25. I heard
there are so many different mounting standards. Please help me out. (back
to top)
True, there are several
different and incompatible mounting standards, though the situation has
been improving considerably. Most companies have adopted the new international
standard (I.S. 2000) using two bolts to fix the caliper to the frame and
six to bolt the rotor to the hub. The old international standard (I.S.
1999) looked just the same, but the distance between the frame and the
disk mounts on the hub was larger. The frame and fork mounts remained unchanged,
but the hubs and calipers changed: I.S. 1999 hubs work with I.S. 2000 calipers
if spacers are used (though this fix is not recommended as it may increase
brake squeal), but not vice versa. Magura
has detailed drawings of both standards in
the download section of their website. Some companies like Formula
or Hope used to use their own mounting
standards on the hub, but they recently seemed to have followed the larger
companies, too.
Hayes
brakes and Manitou forks still use an entirely different mounting pattern
called 'Postmount', but adapters are available.
The Rock Shox Boxxer DH fork again
uses a different mounting pattern. Magura offers a special Gustav M caliper
to be used with this brake.
Note that if you change to a larger
rotor you must either change to a different caliper or use an adapter to
fix the caliper further away from the wheel's axle (see
below). Each caliper is designed for a particular rotor, and they are
usually
not interchangeable. Also note that mounting standards for front and rear
brakes are different, so you cannot use a caliper designed for use up front
in the rear.
26.
I heard mounting a disk to a tandem frame can be especially difficult.
Why? (back to top)
All of the following does
not apply to tandems with 135 mm rear spacing, as that is the normal dropout
spacing found on modern single mountain bikes, or front disks.
The international mounting standard
defines how far the rotor mounting position on the hub is away from the
caliper mounts on the frame (15,3 mm in the rear with I.S. 2000+; 16 mm
with old I.S. 1999). The international standard calls for the inner surfaces
of the dropout and the caliper mounts to be in one plain. Only a tiny amount
of spacers should be needed, if at all; I had to use three 0.2 mm washers
on my FS tandem. Sometimes it's even
necessary to file the paint off of the caliper mounts. Most disk brake
manufacturers now offer tools for this purpose. Any good MTB shop should
be able to help you out.
Tandems have problems with this,
as most use wider rear hubs than single bikes. I do not know if any tandem
disk hubs comply to the international standard, or if they place the rotor
further inboard (which would happen if they used a single-bike hubshell
with a longer axle). To comply with the international standard, the hub
manufacturer must use a different hubshell for each dropout spacing "standard"
(135/140/145/160 mm). As this is not practical I would say it is the responsibility
of the framebuilder to choose a specific caliper mounting position (probably
further inboard than the dropout) and tell his customer which hubs work
with his frame. Talk to your frame builder about the exact model of brake
and hub you want to use and have them figure out the best way to put it
all together.
27. I can't
get my caliper centered over the rotor. Any tips? (back
to top)
If you have trouble getting
your I.S. caliper (any make and model) centered over the rotor, check with
your local Magura dealer: Magura supplies 0.2 mm (8/1000 inch) washers
with their brakes.
28. What do I
have to keep in mind when lacing up a wheel for a disk brake? (back
to top)
Hub brakes put very high
stress on the spokes. Therefore, you should not try to break the records
for the least number of spokes (use 36 or more), the thinnest spokes (2.0/1.8/2.0
mm double butted spokes will be great; use 2.3/1.8/2.0 mm DT Alpine III
spokes if you feel timid), or the lightest nipples (use regular brass nipples).
Also, you should build the wheel very carefully, using high and even spoke
tension (always a good idea, even with rim brakes). Radial spokes are an
absolute no-no, of course; build the wheel triple-cross (or more if using
40 or more spokes) instead.
Magura recommends the follwing lacing
patterns for disk-brake wheels: On the front wheel and the disk-side of
the rear wheel, the spokes with inward-facing heads should point forward.
On the drive-side of the rear wheel, they should point backwards.
You may find it hard to find disk-compatible
hubs for more than 36 spokes. Don't worry - me and my friends have been
using 36° wheels with disk brakes on off-road race tandems without
problems. On the rear of my new off-road-tandem,
I even use a 32-spoke hub with a disk brake (though the Rohloff Speedhub's
symmetric flange spacing and large flange diameter help, too).
29. I
want to use a larger rotor. Is that possible? (back to top)
You probably already know
that you need a different caliper or a mounting adapter, otherwise the
larger rotor will not fit through your caliper. Some manufacturers offer
several different rotor diameters, and they usually offer mounting adapters
to change the caliper position.
E.g. Hope and Hayes both offer rotors
up to 205 mm in diameter, and both offer adapters to fit their calipers.
Magura do offer rotors in 160, 180 and 190 mm, all of which in theory can
be used with any of their calipers, but they offer no adapters to fit their
brakes. Magura believe that using adapters may be detrimental, and they
will not warranty any changes made to their braking system which are beyond
their control. A restrictive choice, but a wise one considering possible
liability suits!
For 2002, Magura is now offering
a new caliper holder for the rear Gustav M disk brake allowing the use
of a 190mm rotor in the rear as well. This caliper holder can be retrofitted
to earlier Gustav Ms. Rohloff also makes 190mm rotors to fit their SpeedHub.
Hope make a disk brake caliper adapter
which allows the caliper to be moved radially out from the I.S. mount point
in both 10 mm and 20 mm increments (20 mm and 40 mm diameter larger rotors
needed). Other manufacturers (Hayes, Formula) make different adapters.
Maybe you can find one with the right dimensions.
These caliper adapters will fit any
I.S. caliper. Thus all you need is a rotor which fits your brake and is
20 or 40 mm larger than the one your caliper was designed for (e.g. use
a rear Magura Gustav M (160 mm standard) with a Julie front disk (180 mm)).
If you cannot find a rotor for your needs, Hope (and several other manufacturers)
will make custom rotors for any make of brake. So in theory you could get
a 185 mm brake setup, a 20mm adapter, and then a custom rotor of 225 mm,
which is probably more than enough for most situations. (Thanks to Ian
Yates for this tip.)
Do note that any of this will void
your brakes warranty unless you use parts specifically designed for your
particular brake (e.g. Hope brake and rotor with a Hope adapter).
30. Can I
use a rotor from brand X with my brand Y caliper? (back
to top)
Generally no, and doing
so will void your brake's warranty! Each caliper is designed for a particular
rotor, and they are usually not interchangeable. E.g., calipers differ
as to how wide the brake pads are, so the braking surface on the new rotor
you are trying to use may be too narrow.
However, I have read reports that
noisy Hayes brakes can be
quieted down by using a Magura
rotor (if the diameter is the same - Magura rotors are available in 160mm,
180mm (Julie and 2002 Louise FR front) and 190mm
(Gustav M)). If you decide to do this you
are entirely on your own, though. I didn't tell you to do it - don't blame
me if something goes wrong!
31. Can I
activate my Magura disk brake with a rim brake lever?
Magura disk brakes are an
open
system (i.e. with exapansion chamber at the lever), while all rim brakes
are closed systems. Rim brakes do not heat up the brake
fluid like disks do, so they do not need an expansion chamber. Also, both
types of brakes use different diameter master cylinders, so the mechanical
advantage of the levers will not match the slave cylinders. It simply will
not work!
I have recently revised
my opinion on this issue: Most people will not need braided tubing, but
it does offer one advantage for the most hard-core teams: It can take slightly
more heat. I will therefore switch my new tandem to braided tubing. This
does come at a price, though: Literally, as they are usually very expensive,
and also technically, as they can ruin your bike's paint job. Also, most
braided hydraulics lines are supplied by aftermarket companies, something
I would always be wary of. Yes, I run a braided 'Steelrod'
hydraulics line on my off-road tandem,
but only because it was the only one I could get in the required length.
Magura buys the braided tubing they sell from Spiegler
Bremstechnik in Freiburg, so buying from them directly should be considered
'safe'.
Hydraulics lines usually do not break.
If they get caught somewhere and rip off, then failure will occur where
the tubing is attached to the lever or the caliper, not in between.
33. I want to
get one of those fierce-looking disk covers to protect my rotor from mud
and rain. What do you think? (back to top)
Please
do if you feel suicidal! Otherwise spend your money on something else instead.
The disk covers keep the cooling air flow away from the brake, thus leading
to failure from overheating VERY quickly.
34. I put a
new disk brake on my bike, but it performs very poorly. What did I do wrong?
(back
to top)
Be patient. The new rotor
and pads will take some time to break in. I put the Formula on my
tandem the night before a long-distance
race, and it took about 30 race miles for the system to perform well.
35. Anything
I should know about bleeding a brake? (back to top)
Bleeding most brakes is
not hard to do, but if forget one important step, your brake might fail
right in the steepest section of your most dangerous trail, so work carefully!
You can access most manuals through the links provided below.
IMPORTANT
EXCEPTION: Bleeding Gustav Ms: There is some confusion as to
what the correct bleeding procedure for bleeding the various model years
of Gustav M brakes is. See my separate page
for details.
To facilitate getting air out of
the system you can use two tricks: Gently tap the brake system to release
air bubble trapped somewhere in the brake, and bleed your system from the
lowest to the highest point: The threads into which you mount the syringe
should be at the lowest point, while the hole where excess oil leaves the
brake should be the highest point. This will allow air trapped in the hydraulic
lines to escape more easily. This may require you to mount the bike in
a workstand and raise its rear end to let the caliper be higher than the
lever.
36. I keep
overheating my brake. What's wrong with it? (back to top)
Nothing most likely! Most
likely you need to upgrade your braking technique, not your brake! Do not
ride your brakes constantly; a disk brake must not be used as a drag brake!
When riding with disk brakes, always let your bike roll freely as long
as possible, sitting upright to use wind resistance to slow you down. When
approaching a turn, brake hard to slow your bike down in minimal time.
If you cannot or do not want to let your vehicle roll freely on the straight-aways
you need to stop and let your brakes cool off.
If you feel confident that nothing
is wrong with your riding style, here are a few changes you might consider:
Change to a better
brake: I have had best luck with Magura Gustav M brakes.
Try replacing your DOT brake fluid with
Motul
Racing Brake Fluid 600 (yes, this fluid is DOT 4-compatible). Several teams
have reported that it is the most heat-resistant fluid available (do not
do this if your brakes use mineral oil - see 'Which
brake fluids are compatible?' above).
Try going to a larger rotor. See above
for more details on how to do this.
Try adding an oil cooler to your system.
These coolers were originally designed by Centurion bikes to overcome problems
they had with disks on their carbon-fiber rear swing arms. You can order
them through your LBS under the parts number 17031602 from Centurion
Germany.
37. I
have brake 'X' - do you know any tricks on how to service my particular
model?
(back to top)
Folks, I love working on bikes,
and it seems like I end up helping all my friends with maintanance problems
on their bikes, but I still only have hands-on experience with a very limited
number of parts. All I can say is:
Magura:
All Magura
brakes I have worked on (Julie, Gustav M, HS-33) were very easy to handle
once I read the manual. Magura's manuals and additional tech tips can be
found in the download section of their website..
For 2002, Magura is now offering a new
caliper holder for the rear Gustav M disk brake allowing the use of a 190mm
rotor in the rear as well. This caliper holder can be retrofitted to earlier
Gustav Ms.
Bleeding Gustav Ms: There is some confusion
as to what the correct bleeding procedure for bleeding the various model
years of Gustav M brakes is. See my separate
page for details.
ATTENTION:
Some early 2001 Gustav M leves had to be recalled. See here
for more details.
Magura's 2002 models should be bled
using the new yellow transport spacer only.
Magura
is now offering new thinner blue "royal blood" brake fluid. It can be used
in all Magura brakes except the oldest rim brakes. The thinner fluid should
avoid "lever packing" when the lever is repeatedly applied and released
in quick succession.
If
you have excessive brake drag on auto-adjust disk brakes (all models except
older Louise and Clara), try the following: "I got in touch with Magura
USA and was told to 're-animate' the caliper. That means to pump the levers
with the pads removed but not to let the pistons pump out of the caliper.
Sounds like a magic trick, right? That is said to re-lubricate the seals
and possibly free a stuck piston." Thanks to Robert Kaechler for this tip!
For the long version see here: English
or German.
Formula:
My Formula
brake (1999 model, open system) came with a poorly translated manual, but
I could usually still figure out what was meant by cross-checking the German
text with the English and the Italian. The only real trick not found in
the manual is that when bleeding the brake you should not screw the syringe
all the way into the threads at the lever, but back it out about a quarter
turn. Otherwise you will not be able to get any fluid from the syringe
into the system.
1) Adjust the pad position as close
to the rotor as possible without causing drag
2) Adjust the cable pull so the
there is almost no play in the cable housing
3) Adjust the fluid level to be
½ inch below the O-ring.
38.
I heard many good comments about Hope brakes, but I have a hard time getting
a particular model or spare parts. Can you help? (back to
top)
I feel with you; the former
Hope distributor in Germany, Raw Hope, was especially bad. They now have
a new distributor, and let's hope that
things will improve. If not, try Singletrack
Bike, a British mail order shop that can get anything from Hope in
a couple of days. They will ship it anywhere. (Thanks to Ian Yates for
this tip.)
Hans Christoph Timm
<hans.christoph.timm@politik.uni-freiburg.de>